tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post114049990116754783..comments2024-01-05T19:47:52.798-05:00Comments on wrench in the gears: Immediate Gratification...Blue-eyed Devilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07930904604812639323noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140755083902302922006-02-23T23:24:00.000-05:002006-02-23T23:24:00.000-05:00I guess my point is "that eventually things get po...I guess my point is "that eventually things get popular enough that someone wants to make money of it. Then the mediators come in fuck up a good thing. some good comes from it and some bad. Nothing lasts, so live it up."2drunk2shifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08477597972126626526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140754723743316412006-02-23T23:18:00.000-05:002006-02-23T23:18:00.000-05:00When something is underground, yet hot. I mean it...When something is underground, yet hot. I mean its on the fringe of a trend and everyone starts catching on. It quickly loses some of its luster. It is no longer that college band that is so good you want to share it with everyone. Well, everyone ruins shit. <BR/>This is why everyone gets so bullshitty about anything that is cool, including some things that aren't. You start hearing about how, "I remember when, I was there when, I got there before blah, blah, blah. <BR/>Like all the bullshit about Gary Fisher started this, cunningham did that, kelly did something else, tom richey could have, joe breezer this, bontrager prophesized that.<BR/>Sometimes no matter how great something is, it only has a season. Enjoy the moment and try to "Be".2drunk2shifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08477597972126626526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140753702330728062006-02-23T23:01:00.000-05:002006-02-23T23:01:00.000-05:00Green buds and nuggest, eh? Sounds like it wasn't ...Green buds and nuggest, eh? Sounds like it wasn't the graphic doin' the mediation... <BR/><BR/>Haven't seen it at any of the WFs I've been to recently. Bastards!Blue-eyed Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07930904604812639323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140728528190503392006-02-23T16:02:00.000-05:002006-02-23T16:02:00.000-05:00Gary, you're right on, Creative Commons follows th...Gary, you're right on, <I>Creative Commons</I> follows the same basic precepts.<BR/><BR/>Seems counterintuitive, but apparently sales of a lot of otherwise marginalized works are bolstered as a result of their lack of copyright; they're freely posted to the Web, but people who come across them end up buying the hard copy anyway...I'm sure it has something to do with the Immediatism of the physical object. That, or with the formidable task of juggling a laptap while hunkerin' down on the can.Blue-eyed Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07930904604812639323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140727722332554732006-02-23T15:48:00.000-05:002006-02-23T15:48:00.000-05:00Naw, I've seen the graphic with the hand puttin' t...Naw, I've seen the graphic with the hand puttin' the squeeze on the hop cluster, but haven't had the pleasure.<BR/><BR/>Does Whole Foods have it?<BR/><BR/>BTW, you always manage to get right to the meat of the post, don't ya? 8^)<BR/><BR/>Let's ride...Blue-eyed Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07930904604812639323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140616247129956022006-02-22T08:50:00.000-05:002006-02-22T08:50:00.000-05:00You want to come to the Wuthering Bikes Punk Bike ...You want to come to the <A HREF="http://www.32sixteen.com/?p=28" REL="nofollow">Wuthering Bikes Punk Bike Enduro</A>. Though immediatism might cause a problem as it's not exactly short-notice out of your front door.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12051935020805988774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140558996549032772006-02-21T16:56:00.000-05:002006-02-21T16:56:00.000-05:00misCalc, too many questions to deal with in a Comm...misCalc, too many questions to deal with in a Comments section, but to play the devil's advocate, in brief:<BR/><BR/>"Isn't mediation needed at some level?" Mediation isn't needed at some level, it's unavoidable. Bey is emphasizing that the degree of mediation is the kicker.<BR/><BR/>"But this occurence will not change." True, but I think Bey's point is not to try to change it, but to carve out your own little niche of less-mediated experience, just for your own sanity.<BR/><BR/>"But the bottom line is that many people are living longer, happier, healthier lives as a result of mediation." As a result of mediation? Hmm. Also, longer lives don't necessarily equal happier or more fulfilling lives.<BR/><BR/>"Most people in this society of mediators experience an unparalleled level of freedom that our ancestors surely did without when they spent their days hunting and foraging." Most? Hmm. Perhaps many do because many don't. But again, I think that's not the point of the book. It's not how much leisure you have, it's what you (can) do with it. (Ironically, some people spend a part of their free time doing the hunting to which you refer, others gather things at a shopping mall.) Also, if you could ask an ancestor, I don't think you'd get an answer that supports your statement. Since our ancestors never had the technical instruments of mediation we have, how could they miss them or know what they were missing or know that life was hard(er)? Happiness/misery is relative. It's the old idea that once you introduce something desirable (hi-tech gadget, a luxury item, etc.) into a system, it's much harder to be happy when it's suddenly removed. The crticial point is that the source of happiness has shifted from the living pleasure of, say, staying warm by the fire in your shelter with your family to the dead(ly) pleasure of watching (to the exclusion of familial relationships) a sports team score on the hi-def monster tube.<BR/><BR/>"Isn’t it better to embrace (with respect) mediation in an effort to further our abilities as a society? " I'd have to understand what you mean by "abilities" before I expressed an opinion. Some abilities good, some abilities bad.<BR/><BR/>Finally, Immediatism is an attack on mediation only in the fact that one cannot fully exist at any given time in the direct presence of the other (to paraphrase Pauli's exclusion principle). I don't think Bey is suggesting that mediation can and should be done away with, but rather that its effects in diminishing experience can and should be mitigated wherever possible:<BR/><BR/><I>"Computers, video, radio, printing presses, synthesizers, fax machines, tape recorders, photocopiers--these things make good toys, but terrible addictions. Finally we realize we cannot "reach out & touch someone" who is not present In the flesh. These media may be useful to our art--but they must not possess us, nor must they stand between, mediate, or separate us from our animal/animate selves. We want to control our media, not be Controlled by them. And we should like to remember a certain psychic martial art which stresses the realization that the body itself is the least mediated of all media."</I><BR/><BR/>Bottom line: I thought the concept was interesting and saw (forced?) some parallels. I suppose the gatherings I referred to could be done without alcohol (another medium?), but you lose the crucial element of the "gift" (see Mauss's <I>The Gift</I> for relevance). Also, no beer would be simply going too far!<BR/><BR/>So much for "in brief."Blue-eyed Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07930904604812639323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140535433431577112006-02-21T10:23:00.000-05:002006-02-21T10:23:00.000-05:00His "Anti-Copyright 1994" sounds like the precurso...His "Anti-Copyright 1994" sounds like the precursor to today's <A HREF="http://www.creativecommons.org" REL="nofollow">"Creative Commons"</A> license.gmr2048https://www.blogger.com/profile/07617137340771802167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10877207.post-1140521700971593572006-02-21T06:35:00.000-05:002006-02-21T06:35:00.000-05:00Your two smart. Get a job yet? If not, right a boo...Your two smart. Get a job yet? If not, right a book!rickyd 2https://www.blogger.com/profile/16746002595357958203noreply@blogger.com